19 February 2005

Search: Platforms would be enhanced if results easily produced in XML


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Discussion

Users like to get content, and they like fast ways to get XML related outputs. As it stands, its not all that clear how to get the search results into an XML format for a quick feed.

The platforms do have codes that users can enter to get the feeds. However, it would be nice if this was transparent, and the users didn't have to know the codes. For that matter, the users really don't care about XML-codes, they simply want the search results.

Hence, the del.icio.us approach is ideal. Findory gets points for having the button for both blog- and news-searches.


Current codes


For illustration only, here are some samples of just a few search tools, and how well they integrate their outputs with the XML button.

In each of the options below, you can change the code. [Apologies, but I have no clue where I got these, so if you know who created these links, post a link or use the tag , and I'll give you credit in the updates below.]

Del.icio.us

Google: This outside the Google platform, but you get the idea.

Yahoo Again, outside the main platform. [Jeremy Zawodny, Thanks! Can we see the XML button integrated into all Yahoo search-outputs on the main platform?]

Furl: Has a nice output, but no XML button for the results in a feed. If it's there, it's not obvious.

Findory: It has it there, but not for web searches, just blog and news searches. Findory has always had the button in the lower right; I'd encourage Greg to consider soliciting user comments on whether they'd like the button placed at the top, or have a different color. My vote: Have the Orange XML button at the top. [Then again, maybe everyone already likes it as it is. ;-)]

Slash, its reported to have this button-search integration, but I don't see it. Maybe they have it hidden.



I think it should be an unwritten industry standard that search platforms use the orange XML-button in all search results so that users can click on the button to get the XML-code for the Feed.


Updates: In addition to the above information [which may be revised], here's a list of other search engines that have an XML button for the search results.


Table 1: Search Tools with XML Button Integrated

Other Search engines that have XML buttons to get a feed of the search results

Updates to list:

BlogDigger [Mud's Favorite, Added 28-Feb-05]

Feedback, it is really nice, clean, and can find alot of stuff. If only they'd print some instructions in other languages... [Added 28-Feb-05]

Plazoid: RSS Bot. [Added 20-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Problem with search-result integration. Valid search requests are transformed. Quotes around searches drop off; results may not be exactly what you want.]

FeedSter [Added 22-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Results are hit and miss. Valid, pinged-content doesn't always show up.]

DayPop [Added 28-Feb-05: Mostly news, most blog-feeds not accepted]

Not Recommended:

RocketInfo [aka RocketNews], [Added 28-Feb-05: this platform has a problem with search-string inputs not linking with the outputs. I entered valid text, and my feed has been submitted twice prior to the test, but nothing showed up in either the output or the aggregator. I do not recommend this.

Notable Mention [Added: 28-Feb-05]

This test was looking for Search Platforms that had a single XML feed for the search result. Technorati has watchlists, which don't technically meet the criteria for this test. However, given Technorati has Tags and Watchlists, it really needed to be included as a comparison.

Technorati Watchlist: Unfortunately, the platform didn't work as well as Blog Digger. BlogDigger hit all of them, and Technorati got Zero

Although not a strict requirement, for this test we were unable to easily create an XML feed from the Technorati searches as we have to go to Watchlist under Member tools; and most important, none of the valid tags reported as a result in any of the tests.

Compared to other platforms in this test and given the other issues with TagSpam and content not showing up in the Technorati platform, I think it will be a while before Technorati gets around to having a seamless way to get a single XML feed from the search attempts.



Table 2: Notification Method

Notification method to Mud's Tests

  • Method A. Blog Links to this blog spot or Mud's Tests:

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: David Hoare, Dave said, "Interesting ideas and not at all hard to do"

  • Method B. Technorati Tag to :

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: Saturday, February 19, 2005, Posted by David 10:59 AM Dave Hoare. Tag failed to appear in Technorati list.

  • Method C. Technorati Tag : None, yet.


  • Other search engines devoted to XML:

    Gigablast.

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    Discussion

    Users like to get content, and they like fast ways to get XML related outputs. As it stands, its not all that clear how to get the search results into an XML format for a quick feed.

    The platforms do have codes that users can enter to get the feeds. However, it would be nice if this was transparent, and the users didn't have to know the codes. For that matter, the users really don't care about XML-codes, they simply want the search results.

    Hence, the del.icio.us approach is ideal. Findory gets points for having the button for both blog- and news-searches.


    Current codes


    For illustration only, here are some samples of just a few search tools, and how well they integrate their outputs with the XML button.

    In each of the options below, you can change the code. [Apologies, but I have no clue where I got these, so if you know who created these links, post a link or use the tag , and I'll give you credit in the updates below.]

    Del.icio.us

    Google: This outside the Google platform, but you get the idea.

    Yahoo Again, outside the main platform. [Jeremy Zawodny, Thanks! Can we see the XML button integrated into all Yahoo search-outputs on the main platform?]

    Furl: Has a nice output, but no XML button for the results in a feed. If it's there, it's not obvious.

    Findory: It has it there, but not for web searches, just blog and news searches. Findory has always had the button in the lower right; I'd encourage Greg to consider soliciting user comments on whether they'd like the button placed at the top, or have a different color. My vote: Have the Orange XML button at the top. [Then again, maybe everyone already likes it as it is. ;-)]

    Slash, its reported to have this button-search integration, but I don't see it. Maybe they have it hidden.



    I think it should be an unwritten industry standard that search platforms use the orange XML-button in all search results so that users can click on the button to get the XML-code for the Feed.


    Updates: In addition to the above information [which may be revised], here's a list of other search engines that have an XML button for the search results.


    Table 1: Search Tools with XML Button Integrated

    Other Search engines that have XML buttons to get a feed of the search results

    Updates to list:

    BlogDigger [Mud's Favorite, Added 28-Feb-05]

    Feedback, it is really nice, clean, and can find alot of stuff. If only they'd print some instructions in other languages... [Added 28-Feb-05]

    Plazoid: RSS Bot. [Added 20-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Problem with search-result integration. Valid search requests are transformed. Quotes around searches drop off; results may not be exactly what you want.]

    FeedSter [Added 22-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Results are hit and miss. Valid, pinged-content doesn't always show up.]

    DayPop [Added 28-Feb-05: Mostly news, most blog-feeds not accepted]

    Not Recommended:

    RocketInfo [aka RocketNews], [Added 28-Feb-05: this platform has a problem with search-string inputs not linking with the outputs. I entered valid text, and my feed has been submitted twice prior to the test, but nothing showed up in either the output or the aggregator. I do not recommend this.

    Notable Mention [Added: 28-Feb-05]

    This test was looking for Search Platforms that had a single XML feed for the search result. Technorati has watchlists, which don't technically meet the criteria for this test. However, given Technorati has Tags and Watchlists, it really needed to be included as a comparison.

    Technorati Watchlist: Unfortunately, the platform didn't work as well as Blog Digger. BlogDigger hit all of them, and Technorati got Zero

    Although not a strict requirement, for this test we were unable to easily create an XML feed from the Technorati searches as we have to go to Watchlist under Member tools; and most important, none of the valid tags reported as a result in any of the tests.

    Compared to other platforms in this test and given the other issues with TagSpam and content not showing up in the Technorati platform, I think it will be a while before Technorati gets around to having a seamless way to get a single XML feed from the search attempts.



    Table 2: Notification Method

    Notification method to Mud's Tests

  • Method A. Blog Links to this blog spot or Mud's Tests:

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: David Hoare, Dave said, "Interesting ideas and not at all hard to do"

  • Method B. Technorati Tag to :

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: Saturday, February 19, 2005, Posted by David 10:59 AM Dave Hoare. Tag failed to appear in Technorati list.

  • Method C. Technorati Tag : None, yet.


  • Other search engines devoted to XML:

    Gigablast.
    -->
    Ref


    XML Search Result Button

    Quick feed link for search results


    Suggestion

    I'd like to encourage all search-related platforms, tools, and engines to provide the XML button in the search-output-results, like del.icio.us.

    Perhaps the owners of the various sites that consolidate these lists could pass on this link as a "Users would like this feature added" to XML-related search tools.

    If you want you search engine added to the list of "Engines that have the XML button included, include a link to this blog-spot, or use the Technorati Tag, .


    Creative Commons License

    Link to and cite as .

    This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.


    Discussion

    Users like to get content, and they like fast ways to get XML related outputs. As it stands, its not all that clear how to get the search results into an XML format for a quick feed.

    The platforms do have codes that users can enter to get the feeds. However, it would be nice if this was transparent, and the users didn't have to know the codes. For that matter, the users really don't care about XML-codes, they simply want the search results.

    Hence, the del.icio.us approach is ideal. Findory gets points for having the button for both blog- and news-searches.


    Current codes


    For illustration only, here are some samples of just a few search tools, and how well they integrate their outputs with the XML button.

    In each of the options below, you can change the code. [Apologies, but I have no clue where I got these, so if you know who created these links, post a link or use the tag , and I'll give you credit in the updates below.]

    Del.icio.us

    Google: This outside the Google platform, but you get the idea.

    Yahoo Again, outside the main platform. [Jeremy Zawodny, Thanks! Can we see the XML button integrated into all Yahoo search-outputs on the main platform?]

    Furl: Has a nice output, but no XML button for the results in a feed. If it's there, it's not obvious.

    Findory: It has it there, but not for web searches, just blog and news searches. Findory has always had the button in the lower right; I'd encourage Greg to consider soliciting user comments on whether they'd like the button placed at the top, or have a different color. My vote: Have the Orange XML button at the top. [Then again, maybe everyone already likes it as it is. ;-)]

    Slash, its reported to have this button-search integration, but I don't see it. Maybe they have it hidden.



    I think it should be an unwritten industry standard that search platforms use the orange XML-button in all search results so that users can click on the button to get the XML-code for the Feed.


    Updates: In addition to the above information [which may be revised], here's a list of other search engines that have an XML button for the search results.


    Table 1: Search Tools with XML Button Integrated

    Other Search engines that have XML buttons to get a feed of the search results

    Updates to list:

    BlogDigger [Mud's Favorite, Added 28-Feb-05]

    Feedback, it is really nice, clean, and can find alot of stuff. If only they'd print some instructions in other languages... [Added 28-Feb-05]

    Plazoid: RSS Bot. [Added 20-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Problem with search-result integration. Valid search requests are transformed. Quotes around searches drop off; results may not be exactly what you want.]

    FeedSter [Added 22-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Results are hit and miss. Valid, pinged-content doesn't always show up.]

    DayPop [Added 28-Feb-05: Mostly news, most blog-feeds not accepted]

    Not Recommended:

    RocketInfo [aka RocketNews], [Added 28-Feb-05: this platform has a problem with search-string inputs not linking with the outputs. I entered valid text, and my feed has been submitted twice prior to the test, but nothing showed up in either the output or the aggregator. I do not recommend this.

    Notable Mention [Added: 28-Feb-05]

    This test was looking for Search Platforms that had a single XML feed for the search result. Technorati has watchlists, which don't technically meet the criteria for this test. However, given Technorati has Tags and Watchlists, it really needed to be included as a comparison.

    Technorati Watchlist: Unfortunately, the platform didn't work as well as Blog Digger. BlogDigger hit all of them, and Technorati got Zero

    Although not a strict requirement, for this test we were unable to easily create an XML feed from the Technorati searches as we have to go to Watchlist under Member tools; and most important, none of the valid tags reported as a result in any of the tests.

    Compared to other platforms in this test and given the other issues with TagSpam and content not showing up in the Technorati platform, I think it will be a while before Technorati gets around to having a seamless way to get a single XML feed from the search attempts.



    Table 2: Notification Method

    Notification method to Mud's Tests

  • Method A. Blog Links to this blog spot or Mud's Tests:

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: David Hoare, Dave said, "Interesting ideas and not at all hard to do"

  • Method B. Technorati Tag to :

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: Saturday, February 19, 2005, Posted by David 10:59 AM Dave Hoare. Tag failed to appear in Technorati list.

  • Method C. Technorati Tag : None, yet.


  • Other search engines devoted to XML:

    Gigablast.
    Ref


    XML Search Result Button

    Quick feed link for search results


    Suggestion

    I'd like to encourage all search-related platforms, tools, and engines to provide the XML button in the search-output-results, like del.icio.us.

    Perhaps the owners of the various sites that consolidate these lists could pass on this link as a "Users would like this feature added" to XML-related search tools.

    If you want you search engine added to the list of "Engines that have the XML button included, include a link to this blog-spot, or use the Technorati Tag, .


    Creative Commons License

    Link to and cite as .

    This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.


    Discussion

    Users like to get content, and they like fast ways to get XML related outputs. As it stands, its not all that clear how to get the search results into an XML format for a quick feed.

    The platforms do have codes that users can enter to get the feeds. However, it would be nice if this was transparent, and the users didn't have to know the codes. For that matter, the users really don't care about XML-codes, they simply want the search results.

    Hence, the del.icio.us approach is ideal. Findory gets points for having the button for both blog- and news-searches.


    Current codes


    For illustration only, here are some samples of just a few search tools, and how well they integrate their outputs with the XML button.

    In each of the options below, you can change the code. [Apologies, but I have no clue where I got these, so if you know who created these links, post a link or use the tag , and I'll give you credit in the updates below.]

    Del.icio.us

    Google: This outside the Google platform, but you get the idea.

    Yahoo Again, outside the main platform. [Jeremy Zawodny, Thanks! Can we see the XML button integrated into all Yahoo search-outputs on the main platform?]

    Furl: Has a nice output, but no XML button for the results in a feed. If it's there, it's not obvious.

    Findory: It has it there, but not for web searches, just blog and news searches. Findory has always had the button in the lower right; I'd encourage Greg to consider soliciting user comments on whether they'd like the button placed at the top, or have a different color. My vote: Have the Orange XML button at the top. [Then again, maybe everyone already likes it as it is. ;-)]

    Slash, its reported to have this button-search integration, but I don't see it. Maybe they have it hidden.



    I think it should be an unwritten industry standard that search platforms use the orange XML-button in all search results so that users can click on the button to get the XML-code for the Feed.


    Updates: In addition to the above information [which may be revised], here's a list of other search engines that have an XML button for the search results.


    Table 1: Search Tools with XML Button Integrated

    Other Search engines that have XML buttons to get a feed of the search results

    Updates to list:

    BlogDigger [Mud's Favorite, Added 28-Feb-05]

    Feedback, it is really nice, clean, and can find alot of stuff. If only they'd print some instructions in other languages... [Added 28-Feb-05]

    Plazoid: RSS Bot. [Added 20-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Problem with search-result integration. Valid search requests are transformed. Quotes around searches drop off; results may not be exactly what you want.]

    FeedSter [Added 22-Feb-05]; [Added 28-Feb-05: Results are hit and miss. Valid, pinged-content doesn't always show up.]

    DayPop [Added 28-Feb-05: Mostly news, most blog-feeds not accepted]

    Not Recommended:

    RocketInfo [aka RocketNews], [Added 28-Feb-05: this platform has a problem with search-string inputs not linking with the outputs. I entered valid text, and my feed has been submitted twice prior to the test, but nothing showed up in either the output or the aggregator. I do not recommend this.

    Notable Mention [Added: 28-Feb-05]

    This test was looking for Search Platforms that had a single XML feed for the search result. Technorati has watchlists, which don't technically meet the criteria for this test. However, given Technorati has Tags and Watchlists, it really needed to be included as a comparison.

    Technorati Watchlist: Unfortunately, the platform didn't work as well as Blog Digger. BlogDigger hit all of them, and Technorati got Zero

    Although not a strict requirement, for this test we were unable to easily create an XML feed from the Technorati searches as we have to go to Watchlist under Member tools; and most important, none of the valid tags reported as a result in any of the tests.

    Compared to other platforms in this test and given the other issues with TagSpam and content not showing up in the Technorati platform, I think it will be a while before Technorati gets around to having a seamless way to get a single XML feed from the search attempts.



    Table 2: Notification Method

    Notification method to Mud's Tests

  • Method A. Blog Links to this blog spot or Mud's Tests:

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: David Hoare, Dave said, "Interesting ideas and not at all hard to do"

  • Method B. Technorati Tag to :

    20-Feb-05 UTC 01:44:20 Ref: Saturday, February 19, 2005, Posted by David 10:59 AM Dave Hoare. Tag failed to appear in Technorati list.

  • Method C. Technorati Tag : None, yet.


  • Other search engines devoted to XML:

    Gigablast.
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