17 March 2005

XML Concepts: Ping Clusters

Quick tip Use PingOMatic to ping a service; and Haloscan to ping a blog.

I noticed something about the Newsgator Online aggregator. Under the items in the feed, it shows who else is linking to that particular blog or publication.

If I enter an aggregator like Newsgator Online and see a list of blogs-people linking to the item, then I should be able to get back with them easily. What if there was a way to quickly notify at the same time everyone who was linking to the article?

Right now, if I want to track back to them, I have to find each of the trackbacks individually, go onto each trackback page for each blog-website, copy the trackback, and then paste them individually in my trackback pinger.

Also, there is a Technorati Tag group. But that relies on those on that list to know to use my tag; they probably won’t know unless I tell them.

Yet, why would I tell them something about where to find me, when what I really want to do is tell them. Who wants to call up someone on the phone and say I want to talk to you on the phone. You don’t do that. You call them up and talk to them.


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Ping Cluster

Multiple pings to interested readers


Analogy: Hello lets you with one click notify many people at once:
Use control+click to send your pictures to multiple friends at once.
First, what could happen is that when I go to a feed and see a list of people who are linking, I should be able to make a quick number of steps.

I should be able to click on an aggregator tool-button which says Ping Cluster, and that will let me ping all the people who have linked to that original page.


Automated Functions

The Ping Cluster Tool would automatically do the following things for users:

  • Open a tic-box beside each listed item on the list of who is linking;

  • Provide the option to ping all of them with a “ping all of them” option;

  • Let users click one, some, or all of those who are linking;

  • Provide space to write some comments;

  • Auto-discover the trackbacks for each of the sites I selected;

  • For those sites that had no trackback, comment would be auto-sent to that particular blogspot

  • For those sites that had neither a trackback or space to leave comments, the would create a tag to this Ping Cluster, then auto-inject my comments into my blog, with a link back to the sites that had neither a trackback or a comment-URL.

  • Provide interface with a user’s primary aggregator, comment, and site feeds;

  • Support a new feed feed and comments comments so that users who later jointed the cluster on this Ping Cluster, would then have their feeds auto-injected into my special folder assigned for this Ping Cluster.

  • People who then comment or respond to my comment, would then have the second half of the Ping Cluster to respond. They could then do a return-notify with the same ping-cluster, or they could introduce new PingClusters into the notification list.



  • Opt-in feature


    Clearly, the risk of doing this is that people could get spammed. Yet, if we had proper screening tools that would help. Also, if people had previously stated that they didn’t want to be notified with ping clusters, then the tool would do the auto-comment in the blog approach.


    Ping Cluster Saturation


    There is one danger to this. If enough track back clusters were created simply by doubling the number of ping clusters, well before we got to the 21st Ping Cluster, all available blogs would be on the list. This could saturate the system and defeat the purpose of having a focused ping.

    I suppose there would have to be some sort of limit on the number of trackback ping clusters someone could use, the time delay required, or something that would prevent this potentially overwhelming situation to occur.

    Yet, ideally the members would only send their pings to those who would likely want the message. Ping Cluster ignore-option would be available.

    Yet, if everyone on the planet truly wanted to include all people on a particular ping cluster, then blogs, feeds, and aggregators would appear to have done something that broadcasting has only accomplished through an emergency communication system: Quickly notify many people of something specific.


    Differences between a ping cluster and tag group


    Technorati Tag groups and Ping Clusters are not exactly the same. Ping Clusters rely on direct notification and alert to the publisher, while tags are more passive, and rely on others finding the tag, or hunting for a particular term.

    Ping Clusters are not necessarily tag-based, but notification-based. They work more like multiple-trackback notifications in one step, than tagging.

    Ping Clusters also moves from the publisher having to hunt for related tags in a tag group, to a reader directly pinging and responding to all others who might be discussing and commenting.

    Also, ping clusters and tag groups are similar in that they both give readers links of that content. What the pig cluster does is actively target the individual member of the cluster, while tag groups are more passive.


    Module Steps to Support Ping Clusters

    1. Feed enters aggregator; others linking to that site are listed

    2. User arrives at aggregator feed, sees list of those linking

    3. User enters comment, selects those on the list to ping.

    4. Ping Cluster created.

    5. Tool auto-discovers the ping trackback URL

    6. If no trackback available, tool puts link to blogspot URL in comments

    7. Tool sends comment, pings all those on the ping cluster

    8. Comment auto-placed in blog

    9. User given prior option to be included or excluded from some or all ping cluster notifications.



    Ping Cluster Feed


    The Ping Cluster could also have a separate feed. This would work similarly to how one creates a feed out of clippings.

    The Ping Cluster feed would handle future additions to the ping cluster. If someone were to later join the cluster, they would be able to comment on the ping cluster feed and get access to the original comments sent along the feed.

    Anyone should b able to subscribe to a ping cluster feed. The rules on creating a ping cluster should be part of the aggregator terms and conditions. Once members choose to have their original comments submitted, published, and displayed on a given aggregator, then the public should be bound by those rules.

    If someone wants to ignore a member of the ping cluster that is fine.

    If someone wants to make their ping cluster only available to a select group of people, then they need to create a special sign-in-only ping cluster. This means that members will only be notified of the ping if they choose to sign in.

    The ping cluster-notification is separate from a group discussion. The ping cluster could evolve into a moderated discussion. The ping cluster is merely a means to notify other readers of content; whether that conversation blossoms into a moderated discussion behind a firewall or a private group is a separate issue.

    Once someone creates a ping cluster, an individual feed would be created to support that cluster. Anyone who can read the original message, the subsequent links, or has agreed to receive ping clusters would have access to the feed.

    If someone does not want to be notified by the ping cluster, then they won’t get access to the feed. Users would also have the option to ignore pings from certain members of the ping cluster.

    If someone were to decide only to have their subsequent comments sent to some members of the cluster, that is allowed. They can change in subsequent pings who is or is not on their ping-cluster list. People could add or subtract names from their ping cluster.


    Combining Ping Clusters


    Mixing feeds is currently problematic. However, these hurdles need not be addressed in order to start the ping cluster concept.

    Ping Clusters need to be designed so that the feeds, comments, and pings can be integrated in a seamless flow, either by member-name, or by time.

    The Ping Cluster concept could be developed in parallel. There is no reason to wait. Those features that would support this feature of the Ping Cluster could be added later.


    Summary


    Ping clusters can be a tool to quickly notify those who have commented on a specific item more up to date information. They will save time in notifying specific readers.

    Ping clusters are a way to quickly send focused responses to specific people. Those who have already linked to and commented on an article could choose not to be part of any ping cluster.

    Readers can target their responses to those who have already commented. As the technology advances, ping clusters could mutate into larger discussions with interwoven feeds.
    Quick tip Use PingOMatic to ping a service; and Haloscan to ping a blog.

    I noticed something about the Newsgator Online aggregator. Under the items in the feed, it shows who else is linking to that particular blog or publication.

    If I enter an aggregator like Newsgator Online and see a list of blogs-people linking to the item, then I should be able to get back with them easily. What if there was a way to quickly notify at the same time everyone who was linking to the article?

    Right now, if I want to track back to them, I have to find each of the trackbacks individually, go onto each trackback page for each blog-website, copy the trackback, and then paste them individually in my trackback pinger.

    Also, there is a Technorati Tag group. But that relies on those on that list to know to use my tag; they probably won’t know unless I tell them.

    Yet, why would I tell them something about where to find me, when what I really want to do is tell them. Who wants to call up someone on the phone and say I want to talk to you on the phone. You don’t do that. You call them up and talk to them.


    LEGAL NOTICE


    Creative Commons License

    This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.

    You may not copy any of this work to promote a commercial product on any site or medium in the universe.

    If you see this work posted on a commercial site, it violates the creative commons license; and the author does not endorse the commercial product.

    Free to use for non-commercial uses. Link to this original blogspot and cite as .



    Ping Cluster

    Multiple pings to interested readers


    Analogy: Hello lets you with one click notify many people at once:
    Use control+click to send your pictures to multiple friends at once.
    First, what could happen is that when I go to a feed and see a list of people who are linking, I should be able to make a quick number of steps.

    I should be able to click on an aggregator tool-button which says Ping Cluster, and that will let me ping all the people who have linked to that original page.


    Automated Functions

    The Ping Cluster Tool would automatically do the following things for users:

  • Open a tic-box beside each listed item on the list of who is linking;

  • Provide the option to ping all of them with a “ping all of them” option;

  • Let users click one, some, or all of those who are linking;

  • Provide space to write some comments;

  • Auto-discover the trackbacks for each of the sites I selected;

  • For those sites that had no trackback, comment would be auto-sent to that particular blogspot

  • For those sites that had neither a trackback or space to leave comments, the would create a tag to this Ping Cluster, then auto-inject my comments into my blog, with a link back to the sites that had neither a trackback or a comment-URL.

  • Provide interface with a user’s primary aggregator, comment, and site feeds;

  • Support a new feed feed and comments comments so that users who later jointed the cluster on this Ping Cluster, would then have their feeds auto-injected into my special folder assigned for this Ping Cluster.

  • People who then comment or respond to my comment, would then have the second half of the Ping Cluster to respond. They could then do a return-notify with the same ping-cluster, or they could introduce new PingClusters into the notification list.



  • Opt-in feature


    Clearly, the risk of doing this is that people could get spammed. Yet, if we had proper screening tools that would help. Also, if people had previously stated that they didn’t want to be notified with ping clusters, then the tool would do the auto-comment in the blog approach.


    Ping Cluster Saturation


    There is one danger to this. If enough track back clusters were created simply by doubling the number of ping clusters, well before we got to the 21st Ping Cluster, all available blogs would be on the list. This could saturate the system and defeat the purpose of having a focused ping.

    I suppose there would have to be some sort of limit on the number of trackback ping clusters someone could use, the time delay required, or something that would prevent this potentially overwhelming situation to occur.

    Yet, ideally the members would only send their pings to those who would likely want the message. Ping Cluster ignore-option would be available.

    Yet, if everyone on the planet truly wanted to include all people on a particular ping cluster, then blogs, feeds, and aggregators would appear to have done something that broadcasting has only accomplished through an emergency communication system: Quickly notify many people of something specific.


    Differences between a ping cluster and tag group


    Technorati Tag groups and Ping Clusters are not exactly the same. Ping Clusters rely on direct notification and alert to the publisher, while tags are more passive, and rely on others finding the tag, or hunting for a particular term.

    Ping Clusters are not necessarily tag-based, but notification-based. They work more like multiple-trackback notifications in one step, than tagging.

    Ping Clusters also moves from the publisher having to hunt for related tags in a tag group, to a reader directly pinging and responding to all others who might be discussing and commenting.

    Also, ping clusters and tag groups are similar in that they both give readers links of that content. What the pig cluster does is actively target the individual member of the cluster, while tag groups are more passive.


    Module Steps to Support Ping Clusters

    1. Feed enters aggregator; others linking to that site are listed

    2. User arrives at aggregator feed, sees list of those linking

    3. User enters comment, selects those on the list to ping.

    4. Ping Cluster created.

    5. Tool auto-discovers the ping trackback URL

    6. If no trackback available, tool puts link to blogspot URL in comments

    7. Tool sends comment, pings all those on the ping cluster

    8. Comment auto-placed in blog

    9. User given prior option to be included or excluded from some or all ping cluster notifications.



    Ping Cluster Feed


    The Ping Cluster could also have a separate feed. This would work similarly to how one creates a feed out of clippings.

    The Ping Cluster feed would handle future additions to the ping cluster. If someone were to later join the cluster, they would be able to comment on the ping cluster feed and get access to the original comments sent along the feed.

    Anyone should b able to subscribe to a ping cluster feed. The rules on creating a ping cluster should be part of the aggregator terms and conditions. Once members choose to have their original comments submitted, published, and displayed on a given aggregator, then the public should be bound by those rules.

    If someone wants to ignore a member of the ping cluster that is fine.

    If someone wants to make their ping cluster only available to a select group of people, then they need to create a special sign-in-only ping cluster. This means that members will only be notified of the ping if they choose to sign in.

    The ping cluster-notification is separate from a group discussion. The ping cluster could evolve into a moderated discussion. The ping cluster is merely a means to notify other readers of content; whether that conversation blossoms into a moderated discussion behind a firewall or a private group is a separate issue.

    Once someone creates a ping cluster, an individual feed would be created to support that cluster. Anyone who can read the original message, the subsequent links, or has agreed to receive ping clusters would have access to the feed.

    If someone does not want to be notified by the ping cluster, then they won’t get access to the feed. Users would also have the option to ignore pings from certain members of the ping cluster.

    If someone were to decide only to have their subsequent comments sent to some members of the cluster, that is allowed. They can change in subsequent pings who is or is not on their ping-cluster list. People could add or subtract names from their ping cluster.


    Combining Ping Clusters


    Mixing feeds is currently problematic. However, these hurdles need not be addressed in order to start the ping cluster concept.

    Ping Clusters need to be designed so that the feeds, comments, and pings can be integrated in a seamless flow, either by member-name, or by time.

    The Ping Cluster concept could be developed in parallel. There is no reason to wait. Those features that would support this feature of the Ping Cluster could be added later.


    Summary


    Ping clusters can be a tool to quickly notify those who have commented on a specific item more up to date information. They will save time in notifying specific readers.

    Ping clusters are a way to quickly send focused responses to specific people. Those who have already linked to and commented on an article could choose not to be part of any ping cluster.

    Readers can target their responses to those who have already commented. As the technology advances, ping clusters could mutate into larger discussions with interwoven feeds.
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